Legislature(2021 - 2022)GRUENBERG 120

03/24/2022 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS

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03:03:47 PM Start
03:04:38 PM Confirmation Hearing(s):|| State Commission for Human Rights|| Board of Parole|| State Personnel Board|| Public Offices Commission
04:02:45 PM HB31
04:48:48 PM HB124
05:03:24 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: State TELECONFERENCED
Commission for Human Rights: Zackary Gottshall
and Jessie Ruffridge; State Board of Parole:
Jason Wilson; Personnel Board: Keith Hamilton;
Alaska Public Offices Commission: Lanette
Blodgett
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= HB 31 OBSERVE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ALL YEAR TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= HB 124 FILLING VACANCY IN LEGISLATURE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
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          HB 31-OBSERVE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ALL YEAR                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:02:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that the next order of business would be                                                                 
HOUSE BILL NO. 31, "An Act  relating to daylight saving time; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:04:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAN   ORTIZ,  Alaska  State   Legislature,  prime                                                               
sponsor, summarized  HB 31 by paraphrasing  the sponsor statement                                                               
[included in  the committee packet],  which read in  its entirety                                                               
as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 31 establishes Daylight Saving Time (DST)as                                                                     
     the official time for the State of Alaska year-round,                                                                      
     subject to the authorization of federal law. DST is                                                                        
     observed between the second Sunday of March and the                                                                        
     first Sunday of November.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Adoption of this legislation is the first step. To                                                                         
     fully implement the change to full-time DST, action by                                                                     
     the United States Congress is required. Congress will                                                                      
     need to amend federal law to allow states to observe                                                                       
     DST throughout the calendar year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Nationally, the initiative to change to full-time DS                                                                       
     is gaining traction. As of December 2020, 13 states                                                                        
     have enacted DST legislation. In 2020 alone, 32 states                                                                     
     considered DST legislation. On the west coast                                                                              
     California voters authorized the change pending                                                                            
     legislation and in 2019, both Washington and Oregon                                                                        
     passed legislation similar to HB31. Our Canadian                                                                           
     neighbors have also taken steps to move to full-time                                                                       
     DST. British Columbia passed legislation to implement                                                                      
     full-time DST contingent on the U.S. west coast also                                                                       
     implementing it. Yukon began full-time DST on March 8,                                                                     
     2020.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Because of our close economic and geographic ties to                                                                       
     the U.S. and Canadian west coasts, Alaska can avoid                                                                        
     being 'left in the dark' by passing HB31.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:08:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN inquired about  the benefits of year-round                                                               
Daylight  Saving Time  (DST), as  opposed to  year-round Standard                                                               
Time ("ST").                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIZE  ORTIZ   explained  that  DST  was   important  to                                                               
Alaska's  major industries,  like tourism,  as it  would maintain                                                               
the existing  daylight hours  in the  summer and  extend daylight                                                               
hours  later  in the  day  in  the  winter,  which seemed  to  be                                                               
favorable to morning daylight, he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether the federal  government had                                                               
the authority to dictate Alaska's time zones.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:10:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ABIGAIL SWEETMAN,  Staff, Representative Dan Ortiz,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, on  behalf of  Representative Ortiz,  prime sponsor,                                                               
answered,  "No,  that's  still  under  federal  decision."    She                                                               
offered to follow up with  a legal memorandum that addressed that                                                               
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIZE  ORTIZ  opined that  it  would  be better  if  all                                                               
states were  united on this issue,  as it would allow  for easier                                                               
communication.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked whether  Alaska had the authority to                                                               
create  multiple  time zones  within  the  state without  seeking                                                               
approval from the federal government.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWEETMAN said that was under federal jurisdiction.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:12:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  directed attention to  page 2, line  1, and                                                               
asked why the bill specified December 31, 2030.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  stated that he  didn't have an answer.   He                                                               
welcomed an amendment on that language.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:14:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CLAMAN pointed  out  that some  states,  such as  Arizona,                                                               
chose to stay on ST year-round.   He asked whether Arizona had to                                                               
gain permission from the federal government to do so.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ offered  his understanding  that all  time-                                                               
zone-related decisions  in any state  required approval  from the                                                               
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS recalled  that  the United  States                                                               
experimented with permanent DST in  the 1970s, which was met with                                                               
a "loudly negative"  response from the general public.   He asked                                                               
what had  changed from the  1970s and why the  legislature should                                                               
expect a different response.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SWEETMAN  explained that before  permanent DST  was instated,                                                               
it had  a high approval  rating of 79 percent,  which immediately                                                               
dropped  to 42  percent, as  parents were  concerned about  their                                                               
school-age  children walking  or riding  bikes to  school in  the                                                               
dark.  However, a study conducted  in 2009 indicated that only 13                                                               
percent of  students walked or rode  their bikes to school.   She                                                               
concluded that the  decline in approval in the  1970s was largely                                                               
due to children going to school.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:20:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN  asked  whether  the origin  of  DST  was                                                               
considered  by the  bill sponsor.   He  shared his  understanding                                                               
that  the original  purpose was  to align  production hours  with                                                               
factories that  were still  lit by skylights.   He  asked whether                                                               
there was  a bias in  either permanent  DST or permanent  ST that                                                               
was better for Alaska.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ believed that there  was a regional bias, as                                                               
opposed to a consensus bias.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:23:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether there would  be any health-                                                               
related benefits from making this change.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  anecdotally reported  that there  were more                                                               
incidents of heart  attacks during the switchover from  ST to DST                                                               
and vice  versa.  The  medical community  was united in  the idea                                                               
that sticking to  one, whether it be Standard Time  or DST, would                                                               
improve people's circadian rhythm.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR  wondered  whether   the  bill  sponsor  had                                                               
gathered perspectives  from local governments  and municipalities                                                               
on  the issue.    Further,  she asked  whether  other states  had                                                               
considered it.  She wondered  whether approaching congress with a                                                               
coordinated proposal from a block of states would be beneficial.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  emphasized that the bill  was contingent on                                                               
support from West  Coast states in addition to  approval from the                                                               
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:28:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:28:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  WILLIAMS,  Chief  Financial  Officer,  Ward  Air,  expressed                                                               
support for  HB 31 for  the following  reasons: it would  end the                                                               
twice-a-year  changing  of  clocks,  which  was  associated  with                                                               
higher  rates of  health risks;  maintain  the existing  daylight                                                               
hours in  the summer  that were critical  for the  Alaska tourism                                                               
industry;  extend daylight  hours  later in  the  day during  the                                                               
winter,  allowing  for later  flight  operations  and more  after                                                               
school  daylight; and  reduce the  time  zone difference  between                                                               
Alaska and  the East Coast  financial markets.  He  addressed the                                                               
three  other   West  Coast  states      California,  Oregon,  and                                                               
Washington    that  were supporting  year-round DST,  as well  as                                                               
potentially  British Columbia.    He reiterated  his belief  that                                                               
Alaska should join  its neighbors in the effort  to encourage the                                                               
U.S. Department  of Transportation to approve  year-round DST for                                                               
all four West Coast states, if not the entire United States.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:32:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZY CROSBY, Owner, Cottonwood Creek  Farm, expressed her support                                                               
for  HB  31.    She discussed  the  disadvantages  of  year-round                                                               
Standard Time, explaining  that her support for  the bill stemmed                                                               
from  the  fear  of  a  proposal  to  eliminate  DST,  which  she                                                               
characterized  as  a  disastrous  idea.   She  argued  that  most                                                               
Alaskans preferred the  extended daylight at the end  of the day,                                                               
as opposed to  the beginning.  She discussed the  history of time                                                               
zones in Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA ALEXIA, paraphrased the  following written remarks [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As  a  psychiatric  physician  assistant  who  provides                                                                    
     health care  in rural  Alaska as  well as  Anchorage, I                                                                    
     write   with  professional,   academic,  and   personal                                                                    
     knowledge  of  the  impact   that  Alaska's  long  dark                                                                    
     mornings  have  on  human health,  mental  health,  and                                                                    
     safety.  I  respectfully  request that  you  reconsider                                                                    
     your  approach  to  eliminating the  clock  change  and                                                                    
     advocate   instead   for   permanent   Standard   Time.                                                                    
     Eliminating the clock change  is importantwe  can agree                                                                    
     on   thatbut   please   understand   that  making   DST                                                                    
     permanent would  worsen the quality of  life and health                                                                    
     outcomes for a majority of Alaskans.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Permanent   Daylight    Saving   Time    is   federally                                                                    
     prohibited.  It would  delay Juneau  sunrise to  9:46am                                                                    
     (past  8am 4.1  months), Anchorage  sunrise to  11:15am                                                                    
     (past 8am 5.7  months). On St. Paul  Island, sunrise on                                                                    
     winter  solstice  would  not take  place  until  nearly                                                                    
     noon!  This may  not seem  like a  big deal  in Eastern                                                                    
     Alaska,  but  as  someone who  has  worked  in  Western                                                                    
     Alaskan communities, and Anchorage,  (where most of our                                                                    
     state  population resides),  I  can tell  you that  the                                                                    
     delayed  clock  time  is  a   big  problem.  Long  dark                                                                    
     mornings  for much  of the  year, and  extended evening                                                                    
     light in the spring,  wreak havoc on schoolchildren and                                                                    
     entire  communities who  struggle  with getting  enough                                                                    
     sleep when  they must  convince children  to go  to bed                                                                    
     early in  April in May  when it  is light late,  and to                                                                    
     wake hours before dawn for  most of the school yearnot                                                                     
     because  they  are  far  north,   but  because  of  the                                                                    
     displacement  of the  civil clock  from true  sun time.                                                                    
     Alaska lost most of its time  zones in the 80s and this                                                                    
     has disproportionately  affected the health  and safety                                                                    
     of Western Alaska  (including Anchorage and Fairbanks).                                                                    
     HB  31 would  worsen  an  already difficult  situation.                                                                    
     Permanent DST  would force  earlier waking  relative to                                                                    
     sunrise,   further  misalign   clocks  from   circadian                                                                    
     rhythms  during  the  winter when  Alaskans  most  need                                                                    
     morning light, and chronically deprive sleep.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     For  Alaska in  particular, our  high rates  of cancer,                                                                    
     diabetes, unintentional injury,  suicide, homicide read                                                                    
     like  a   treatise  on  all  the   harms  of  displaced                                                                    
     circadian rhythms and the  sleep deprivation it causes.                                                                    
     If Alaska  were to  implement permanent  Standard Time,                                                                    
     we might  finally make some  headway on  improving some                                                                    
     of  these public  health issues.  But if  HB31 were  to                                                                    
     pass and the state went  to permanent DST, these public                                                                    
     health problems  (for which AK is  already notorious in                                                                    
     the nation and the world) would worsen.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Permanent DST has failed before  with loss of life. The                                                                    
     National Education Association,  National School Boards                                                                    
     Association,  National  Safety Council,  National  PTA,                                                                    
     American  College   of  Occupational   &  Environmental                                                                    
     Medicine, American  Academy of Sleep  Medicine, Society                                                                    
     for  Research  on   Biological  Rhythms,  The  American                                                                    
     College  of  Chest  Physicians, and  many  others  urge                                                                    
     permanent  Standard Time  as best  for health,  safety,                                                                    
     and prosperity.  Please consider amending this  bill to                                                                    
     advocate for  permanent Standard Time.  Eliminating the                                                                    
     clock   change  can   happen  at   a  state   level  by                                                                    
     eliminating  DST  completely   and  just  remaining  on                                                                    
     standard time.  Arizona and Hawaii  do this.  It's time                                                                    
     Alaska does  the same. Eliminating the  clock change to                                                                    
     convert to  DST actually would take  longer because you                                                                    
     will be waiting for federal action.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN sought to confirm that under current federal law,                                                                  
states could opt-out of DST; however, they were not allowed to                                                                  
opt-in to year-round DST.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ALEXIA answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN inquired about the process of opting out                                                                 
and what that entailed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ALEXIA was  unsure of  the answer.   She  suspected that  it                                                               
involved the legislative process.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:42:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN LANDFIELD questioned  why the bill was proposing  a switch to                                                               
DST over ST.   He argued that  ST was more in  line with people's                                                               
circadian rhythm.   He pointed  out that both Arizona  and Hawaii                                                               
were on ST,  arguing that Alaska should "hitch its  wagon" to the                                                               
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48   and 50   states  to  present a  unified western  front.   He                                                               
acknowledged  that time  was an  artificial construct,  admitting                                                               
that either year-round DST or  year-round ST would be better than                                                               
switching back and forth.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:44:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:44:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE referenced the  document, titled "Research                                                                 
4.  Vehicle Crashed  by  AJPH," which  suggested  that DST  saved                                                               
pedestrian  lives and  could save  additional lives  by extending                                                               
daylight further into the winter  months.  She inquired about the                                                               
correlation between time change and [car crashes].                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:45:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY MILLS,  Legislative Liaison, Department of  Transportation &                                                               
Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),  offered  to  follow  up  with  the                                                               
requested information.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:46:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked   whether  Alaska  could  petition                                                               
congress for  an allowance  to make  its own  decisions regarding                                                               
time zones.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ   offered  to  discuss  that   option  with                                                               
Alaska's federal delegation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:48:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that HB 31 was held over.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 31 Research - 5. Poll by The Economist 11.4.21.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Updated Research Index 03.24.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Updated Sponsor Statement version A 03.10.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Additional Info - Position Statements in Opposition submitted by Save Standard Time 03.24.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Supporting Emails 3.23.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Opposing Emails 3.23.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 396 Background Info - NCSL - Memo re State Actions in Response to Russian Invasion of Ukraine 03.22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 396
HB 396 Background Info - NCSL - State Actions in Support of Ukraine 03.19.22 Update.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 396
Gov Appointee - Human Rights Comm - Jessie Ruffridge_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - Human Rights Comm - Zackary Gottshall_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - Human Rights Comm - Zackary Gottshall Resume_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - Personnel Board - Keith Hamilton CV_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - APOC - Lanette Blodgett Application_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - Board of Parole - Jason Wilson Board Application_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
Gov Appointee - Board of Parole - Jason Wilson Resume_Redacted.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 124 Fiscal Note GOV-EXE-3-19-22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 124
HB 31 Fiscal Note DOT-FAC-3-20-22.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Research from DOT - 06-01-01_TRR1953_DaylightSavingsTime.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Research from DOT - 17-03-22_Impact of DaylightSavingsTimeSystematicReviewUK.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31
HB 31 Response Letter from DOT re 03-24-2022 hearing.pdf HSTA 3/24/2022 3:00:00 PM
HB 31